The Unity of Opposites: How both things can be true

This is the light inside. I'm Jeffrey Besecker.

Our differences, they become our strength as a species and as a

universal community. Embracing our differences will

enable us to build a world where our individuality and our

uniqueness are celebrated. However, understanding these

factors can often leave us feeling bewildered as we

challenge our assumptions about ourselves and others.

And sometimes seeing beyond the nose on her face feels

dauntingly impossible. Yet overcoming these perceived

challenges comes down to one thing.

Union. All of us have heard the old

saying that every story has three sides, yours, mine, and

the truth. Despite this, the truth is

fluid, ever changing and constantly evolving.

In our daily lives, we often encounter situations where

opposing perspectives or contradictory information are

valid in different contexts or from different points of view.

We humans, therefore, may not always see things eye to eye.

But both things can be true, as we often find out today.

We look at how a concept of logic, known as the unity of

opposites, can empower us to see the truth within us.

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www.thelightinside.us in Sanskrit.

The word Samhita literally means put together to join union.

Yet as humans we often struggle to put things together.

Nowhere is this more true than within our concepts surrounding

truth, and in this struggle we sometimes neglect to find a

common ground and to get our collective shit together.

However, in this basic Vedic mantra, we find a hymn that

becomes our only hope or prayer for truth.

In this union of opposites, we discover the ultimate truth.

We join author, yoga teacher, and wise Vedic sage Troy Hadid

to reflect on this one key objective.

Putting our differences aside, simply embracing a love for one

another to find the unity of opposites.

Troy, can you share a bit with us about how your experience

with yoga started you on this journey of love and discovery?

You know, I have many stories, Jeffrey, but being a yoga

teacher, to me the very essence of yoga is union.

So that to me is the essence of what I like to bring in.

The fact that whatever you like to call God or spirit or

creation or whatever that is, it's in everything.

It's an absolutely everything and there's light and darkness.

There's always light and darkness or what appears as

darkness, you know? I just stumbled across a juicy

little book that I can't wait to dig into called You or God this

morning on LinkedIn with one of my associations over there.

I'm excited to look at that concept because so often we feel

like we remove ourselves from that energy, from that spirit.

So yeah, I'm looking forward to diving into that.

It chimes where we're heading to that.

On that note, So it's funny you say that because I have a book

coming out in October. Not that I'm out to plug that in

any way, but the very last chapter of that book is called

Are You God? And it tells her a story about

when I was in university and got pulled over by cops.

And then sentenced the community service.

And I went to orphanage. And at this orphanage this

little kid runs up to me in the playground and he tugs on me and

he looks at me with a big giant smile and all he says was, are

you God? And then before I can reply, he

laughs hysterically and he runs off.

And it's a story that I I for many years, I never told.

Because I had such a hard time try to understand what happened.

And it's only years later when I went to write a Instagram post

about God, it really all came rushing back to me, and I

realized that kid wasn't asking a question.

It was a rhetorical question, and he was trying to get me to

wake up, to recognize. That God lived in me.

And the recognizing that meant that I had a responsibility and

that there was a great power that lived within me.

And until I saw and recognized that power, and it got within me

that I couldn't really recognize God that lived in anyone else.

If I couldn't recognize it, God that lived within me.

What do you feel was your take away from that in how you relate

to that nature of what we call God?

Yeah, I think. You know, like I grew up in a in

a Catholic home, right? So, and I always like to say I'm

not against religion. I'm not against any views at all

surrounding religion. But I do think sometimes there

are few dots that we fail to connect and there are few

missing links. So I grew up, of course, for the

narrative that God is outside of us.

That's very much the foundation of the narrative, is that God is

something that is separate from us.

And one of my biggest teachers is a man called Jesus.

He is like my biggest guru. He's one of my best friends

ever. But I connect to him and his

teachings outside the context of organized religion and what is

often told. And I think if the life and his

teachings, one of the things he wanted us to wake up to is that

we are not just. Children and creations of God.

But we in ourselves are able to create that We are elements of

God. And he said that he said, You

will do far greater things than I have ever done.

He rose from dead. He walked on water, He did

miracles, and then he says you will do far greater things than

I have ever done. And I think one of the missing

links is that I I don't generally believe in a life of

sin, any life of sinners, that we are born into sin.

I believe that what God or Spirit or Christ or whatever you

want to call it wants us to wake up to is our greatness and the

potential that lives within us. And that God himself lives

within us and wants to come through us.

Because get this, Jeffrey. It's a lot easier to believe

otherwise. It's a lot easier and comes with

a lot less responsibility. If we allow ourselves to believe

that we are mere mortals, that we are born into His lives of

sin and we will always live this life of sin.

And we will always struggle to embody our godliness.

Because to recognize that God lives within us, to recognize

our true potential, to embody this love and its greatness of

God means that that comes with the responsibility.

And that responsibility is a heavyweight to carry.

It's not easy to carry. And I believe that when that

little boy came to me, sure, I wasn't able to unwrap that

experience till a decade and a half later, but I think he was

trying to call on me and remind me that yo, God lives in.

You wake up to that. Because when we wake up to that

is when we start to unwrap our real potential.

I think from that level, as we lean in today, it's interesting

to observe our energy states, our state of energy being.

I was doing some research just this morning.

You know, I've been on a quest to really dive into what does it

mean to be energy. What does it mean to understand

how our frequencies affect our consciousness and how those

frequencies inhabit all existing potential being looking at that

idea, it was reading through where there's scientific

research studying our actual brain wave activity.

You know looking at alpha, beta, Theta, delta, all of those

various brain wave frequencies narrowing them down to specific

bandwidths where specific interactions of our physical

manifestation surface. And when we look at that, we can

witness where the actual state of wake and consciousness

coexist with the actual state of frequency vibration, where

dreaming exists. They operate on the same energy.

In that regard, we're truly awake within that dream within

any given moment. You know, that's something I've

put a lot of resistance toward emotionally, physically,

mentally, psychologically created that wall, that well,

what is a dream, you know, And through some of that resistance,

you know, saying, well, does a dream drive our purpose?

You know, I've had my own wrestle with that and I'm going

to acknowledge it and leave it today.

I don't want to fully dissect that.

But looking at this new awareness, I'm now able to shift

my belief a little bit and say what we dream, what we beyond

that kind of sleep state of dreaming and moving into that

kind of lucid dreaming. What we believe and create

simply does become that reality. We're starting to see that with

more and more, dare I say, quote, concrete evidence.

Do we need that validation for it to be concrete?

That's an area I'm looking through and that's an area for

open consideration. I'm gonna put it that way.

For me, and I often say this, I have no problem having these

conversations, but I love to point out to people that on on

some aspect these conversations to me are somewhat pointless.

Because at the at the very underlying of all science, of

all science, of our very existence, there is one truth

and one truth only. And that truth is that we don't

know. We do not know, right?

And when it comes to there, there is one thing though.

There are few things that we do know in addition to not knowing,

right? When it comes to that contention

about dreams and real state and that stuff, they have so many

things that people can contribute and they might

connect to it. They might choose to believe it

or not choose to believe it. So I don't generally touch that

stuff, but I do want to touch one thing you mentioned, right?

And that is vibration and frequency and whether someone

believes in God or science or a Big Bang.

Or whatever. The very source of creation was

vibration. It was energy, it was frequency.

It's the very source of all creation.

Whether someone chooses to believe it was a word of God,

will that sound. So that's the vibration and

frequency, or whether it someone believes it was a Big Bang or

whatever. It's all vibration and frequency

is the source of everything that means.

It is the very root of our existence.

It is everything we are. And here's how I like to speak

to that. Every word, every thought and

every action that we embody carries with it a frequency.

It carries with it a vibration. And there's a environment.

Let's call Jane Goodall, right. She she's a gorilla lady, I

believe. And she says something very

beautiful that I always talk about.

She says if you're asking question, how can I change the

world, you're asking the wrong question.

She implies that we should be asking question how am I

changing the world? Because everything we do, every

word, every conversation, every action, every thought actually

changes the world we live in. It impacts people around us in

every moment. So we need to bring more

awareness to what vibration and what frequency are we

contributing to our existence, the human consciousness.

And I'll say one more thing here, because I think it, it's

something up really nicely. I'm Jeffrey.

Last year. I embarked in what is called now

called a darkness retreat, where you go into solitary room and a

complete absence of light for a period of time.

And I went into that experience because I acknowledged that

everything I know myself to be is in relation to something

externally, whether it be me being a human being because this

is a phone. Or whether it be me being Troy

because I know Jeffrey is a body that's separate from me.

Or whether it be me having an opinion because there is an

alternate opinion. I define myself.

We all define ourselves by the external world in relation to

the external world. So if my question was this, if I

went into room of absolute darkness by myself and I removed

as much of the external world as I can.

Who am I? Who am I then?

And what I came out recognizing, what I came out of that

experience recognizing is this, Jeffrey.

And it comes back to what we're just saying we are our

relationships in the sense of not that I am Troy because this

is a phone, no, but we are the resonance and vibration and

frequency of our relationships. Because you can.

No one can convince me that I am my physical body because I know

I will exist beyond my physical body.

And for Nina, if I had a podcast with an atheist yesterday and

he's like he couldn't understand how I can know that for truth

and fact. I know that for truth and fact.

Because I know I am energy, I am frequency, I am vibration.

And for us both, Jeffrey, for me and you both, it is impossible

for us to leave this call today at the same individuals that

came to it because we have shared a frequency, we have

shared a vibration, we have shared a conversation and I from

this point on will live in you and you will live in me.

And we won't be same, which now means that the frequency and the

vibration that we shared, we carry that when we go our

separate ways and every conversation you have from this

point on, I live in that and every conversation I have and

you live in that. So when we leave our bodies, the

frequency, the vibration and the resonance that we leave on this

planet. Will never end.

Energy cannot be created nor destroyed.

It merely changes state. So when we understand that we

are that we are that vibration, we are that frequency, then we

understand that we live far beyond our bodies.

It's it's impossible for us not to exist that what we are is our

vibrational contribution to the evolution of human

consciousness, a beautiful and awakening perspective to look

at. That's such an excellent point I

feel for us to launch into today.

Not that we haven't already launched, but as we consider

this idea of the unity of opposites, if we may, let's

reverse engineer a bit here today and kind of backtrack now,

because I feel, you know, that moment we've shared already kind

of sums up from a certain awareness all we need to know.

But as we back up throughout life, we so often form these

places of energetic resistance. We form these gaps in our

perception of that reality, in our gaps of how we create that

reality from moment to moment. So let's look at the concept of

unity of opposites, and how it suggests that contradictory

elements or ideas can coexist and both be true or false

simultaneously. I'm going to offer a for

instance here. So, for instance, when a loved

one passes away, our emotions and feelings are often very

conflicting. You know, we can feel both fond,

happy memories. Yet at the same time, it's also

true that we feel sadness. We feel that sense of loss.

We feel that sense of longing that we experience that surfaces

as that existential loss, even though we understand the

person's energy will always be present with us.

There is our magic point. Having baked that in for my lead

in today, I have to honor and acknowledge that at some point

that awareness already met its way to me to create this bond

together today, because we've naturally stepped into that

alignment and path today. Yeah, within that is that magic,

if we want to call it magic, that wonder and all of

collective consciousness to me. So from that aspect, I'm going

to actually launch in here with a question and lean into an

interview type conversation a little bit.

So Troy, in our daily lives we often encounter situations where

opposing perspectives are valid. The unity of opposites

recognizes that truth in and of itself is multifaceted.

So from that regard, Troy, how does the concept of unity of

opposites impact our ability to consider varying degrees of

truth in different situations? Yeah, loaded question,

definitely. Let let me try and let me try

and start here because for the for the starts, I don't know.

I am a practitioner of yoga and I've been teaching and

practicing yoga now for over 15 years.

And I only say that because I'm going to reference that the very

meaning of yoga is union. That's what it means, right?

If it comes from the sandfield, huge.

And it's often translated as to join or unite, right?

And if I were to ask someone well, and you practice some

yoga, and you fill out your yoga, what are you joining?

They might say light and dark. They might say myself with God,

They might say right and wrong, They might say whatever, the

joining of everything right. And there's a spiritual teacher

I'm sure you've heard of. His name was Osho.

And I read once a teaching of his way he said that he pretty

much I'm, I'm paraphrasing here in my words he pretty much said

that yoga's BS he said because you can't join what was never

separate. So that's why I'm going to lead

into this conversation, because I think that our opinions and

our ideologies and all these different truths.

That each one of us have, and we have different truths and

opinions and perspectives, and they are all shaped and built on

our conditioning and our identity, our individual

identity more so. And to me, one of the I don't

call it a lie because a lie implies deception.

A lie implies something that was intentionally told to deceive

someone. So I don't call it a lie, but I

think the biggest misinformation and narrative that has come over

the human species is this idea of individual identity.

From that perspective, Troy, how does ego development influence

our propensity to clean the binary viewpoints rather than

embracing the complexity of varying truths?

For me, I call it the human identity crisis, because from

the day I was born, I was told that this is my body and my name

is Troy. From the 2nd that happened,

everything else and everyone else around me was made

separate. There was division.

There was separation from a second.

That narrative was told, and I chose to believe it.

Everything else became separate. I became other, and I became an

individual who was separate from everything else and everyone

else around me. As we grow in our lives, we

build upon that narrative. We build upon that narrative

from our upbringing, from our opinions, our ideologies, our

religion, our race, our belief system, our social circles, all

of it. We begin to identify with these

things as if they define us. So much so that someone might

say, I am Democratic, I am Republican, I am pro vacs, I am

anti vacs. I am sad.

I am happy. Listen to these statements.

We define ourselves by these ideologies, by these opinions,

by these temporary states of being.

So much so that if someone has an opposing or different

perspective or different ideology, it's almost like we

feel like we're being attacked because we feel like our

identity is under threat. Does that make sense?

I love that idea, you know, and I feel we're going to dive into

that even further here at a moment from that perspective.

For me, you know, I like to look at that idea of what we believe

about those identities and those associations creates the reality

that surfaces what we manifest. And from a certain perspective,

I feel those are shaped by in and of themselves, emotional

inference and transference for those cycles where we project

our emotions based on our beliefs.

Now, for me, I'd like to, within my own concept, emphasize the

specific elements of the Five Factor model, Personality,

Conscientiousness, Openness, and Extraversion within those

elements, if we're relating and identifying from those

perspectives. By embracing these elements of

personality, we allow for greater vulnerability and

increased social and parochial. Empathy, parochial means we're

able to see that throughout a vast group.

Parochial meaning that whole notion of unity.

We can have unity with one person, we can have unity with a

group. If we zero kind of that energy

and then expand the view out. Zero.

Meaning we go inside and look outward.

We see that everything is interconnected.

Yeah. So from that regard, Troy, how

then from that perspective, can we enhance that ability to

optimize that level of association and identification?

Yeah. Oh, all right.

First thing I want to say is I feel that we often talk about

ego as if the ego is a bad thing, right.

And sometimes, you know, one of my favorite musicians and I

could say this because I did a post about it with a little tag

on social media and he replied to me and we had a little

sharing. So I know he he gets it as well.

But his name is Nako and he's such an amazing, beautiful

musician. And in lyric in one of his

songs, he implies that today's a good day for my ego to die.

And at first I was so taken up, I felt it was such a powerful,

it is a powerful lyric, but I was so overcome by it that I

almost tattooed it on my skin and a friend sent me.

Once you show you want to do that.

And she got me thinking. And The thing is that the ego

has its purpose. But to call the ego bad or

irrelevant, or to want to kill or remove the ego completely

would be to call a human experience useless.

And I don't think it is. I think it's a very divinely

created, molded experience by some form of intelligence for

me. Whatever that intelligence is,

I'm not too sure yet. But it's intelligent, and I

believe that the ego gives us a sense of individuality.

And if that ego overcomes us, we lose our way.

We lose our way. We forget how interconnected we

are. So when our ego overcomes us, we

get overcome by this sense of individual belonging, individual

identity. And that of course leads the

separation, division, otherness, everything.

Because if I am my physical body, then unconsciously what

that programming is telling me is that when I die I cease to

exist, and then that unconscious programming now dictates

everything I do and all my decisions and all my

perspectives to be driven by self preservation.

Troy, how then do you feel? We challenge our ego filters and

expand our mental models. I will always put my ego as

priority above everything else because my unconscious

programming is that when I cease to exist, when I leave my body,

I cease to exist. So if that ego overcomes us, we

end up living a very self-centered existence and it

inhibits our ability of understanding what it really

means to love, what it really means to love one another.

For me, if we can be in relationship to our ego, our ego

to me is one of our greatest teachers ever.

If we can be in relationship to our ego and understand that the

human experience is like a curriculum, it's like school.

We've come here to move through a human experience in order to

learn certain things, whether it be to learn and remember what it

means to love, maybe to learn empathy and forgiveness and

compassion. And a lot of times this

curriculum is uncomfortable. It's painful.

It causes suffering, and in some instances it is inhumane beyond

our conception. But if we can understand that we

are not our bodies, then we also understand that any state of

suffering or disconnect or pain is merely temporary.

In the context of the unity of opposites, this can lead

individuals to rationalize, reconcile opposing ideas,

allowing them to find common ground and foster a sense of

unity. Despite their apparent

contradictions, from that perspective, on one end of the

spectrum we use disassociation as a means of avoiding our own

inner emotional turmoil. On the other end of that

spectrum, we utilize over identification as a defensive

coping mechanism, perhaps looking at hyper individualism

as an example. No.

Here's where this comes into our relationship to everything else

around us and everyone else around us, which is what I think

you were pointing out. Jeffrey, correct me if I'm

wrong, right. But if we am I right in it and

getting that? We're in alignment on that

today. Yeah, good.

So here here's what where that adds up is that if I can

understand that I am not actually my body, that I am body

a certain conditioning. And though that conditioning

breeds belief systems and habits and ways of showing up in the

world, then if I can understand that, then it means I also have

to understand that this person only call in front of me, that I

am calling Jeffrey. He is also just a bag of

conditioning that this body is not really who he is, but this

body has certain experiences, upbringing and belief systems

that have conditioned it. So I'm gonna go a little

esoteric here, but hopefully we can connect dots.

No one can ever do something to hurt me because I am not my

body. I am just part of the

curriculum. It may hurt me, it may cause me

pain, it may cause me suffering, but it's not personal because I

am not my body. And likewise, Jeffrey, if you

were to do something that caused me pain and suffering, it leads

me to understand that it's not actually you doing it to me.

It's your conditioning doing it to my body that this individual

that I embody, this thing that I represent, it's not in any way

personal at all, because we are not our bodies.

We are here to be part of 1 another's curriculum.

We are here to be 1 another's teachers and to be students of

each other. And in this human experience,

which is like a dance of curriculum, we've both come here

to learn and grow. Nothing we do or nothing we

cause one another to experience is personal.

There's no such thing as a personal vendetta.

Now what I love to point out with this understanding is once

we understand this, then forgiveness is not an option.

Forgiveness is inevitable. It is inevitable that we begin

to see each other's conditioning and understand one another's

perspectives. Because if we choose to, to

reprogram anything in the world, if you really want to have an

impact on someone on a heart level, on the views and

perspectives and ideologies of the world, then we have to

understand their perspectives. We have to allow them to be seen

and heard and allow them to feel safe.

Then we could help one another reprogram.

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We all have different experiences in our own

perceptions of the universe we inhabit.

When we try to understand the perspective of others, it often

helps us to create connections, bridging the gap that exists

between us, the news. It can be overwhelming, our

universe constantly changing and there are many stories and

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it can be pretty fucking complex.

And the truth, well, we all know it rarely is black and white and

we frequently find ourselves feeling bewildered and confused.

To further complicate this story, the human experience is

full of contradictions. Contradictions that are often

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and frameworks that form our beliefs, they're influenced in

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also contribute to our perception of truth in echo

chambers. Reinforce our existing

perspectives. There's an answer to this self

limitation, acknowledging the unity of opposites.

Doing so allows us to embrace the complexity.

We see new truths. And we see more nuance and open

understanding of this universe we inhabit.

But how Troy, we've held on to a model of perspective of ego

that's existed largely for 100 plus years.

Now that conventional level of ego development, in that 100

plus years several individuals, many individuals have kind of

danced within that theory and formed a more expanded awareness

and theory of ego development. Within that conditional model or

level of ego development, autonomy and singularity rule,

you know, me first approach becomes that notion of what ego

is and how we relate to it, how we see through it, to see

others, how we look through it to see ourselves.

I was kind of pondering just this notion of ego probably

about 1520 minutes before we jumped on this call today.

From a certain perspective, the ego itself.

Is nothing more than the window of consciousness.

It's simply the set of eyes we see.

All that is how we view others, how we view ourselves, How we

view these concepts we feel are somehow in a lot of regards we

create the notion that they are separate from this, going back

to some of this expanded awareness of consciousness now.

This expanded awareness of how that relates to the ego.

Jen Lovinger and Susan Cook Guter, you know where my goto's

now kind of my new condition belief.

Because I feel conditioning in and of itself can work for us or

against us. You know, we have to condition

habits to get up every day. We have to condition habits to

feed ourselves. We have the condition, the habit

of caring for our health. So that's conditioning.

Are we making healthy, beneficial conditioning or do we

embrace conditioning that becomes counteractive for us

that becomes unhealthy. So looking at these models of

ego development, we look at post autonomous ego development

moving beyond that singularity. Singularity is just one view and

into a fourth person perspective.

Us two becomes the approach in that bringing that unity of

consciousness back together. When we can filter our view of

our conscious being through those filters, we can see what

goes on beyond us. We can see how we interact, we

can see how we interrelate. We're also open and vulnerable

to just simply accept others and their views, their perspective

as they are free of that detrimental judgment,

discernment and judgment is kind of a double edged dual sword

itself. Discernment is a certain element

of awareness. Judgment kind of becomes a

little bit loaded with that conventional ego perspective of

me first. So looking at that, you know, to

be healthy, ego development can either again work in our favor

or create energetic resistance that works against us, yeah.

Relating to this statement, Troy, do you feel we sometimes

form an energetic resistance to others as a result of those ego

filters and our emotional reactivity?

I wanna, I wanna go back there, but I wanna share a story with

you first that I think you really appreciate when I am.

I've been doing a lot of corporate speaking and public

speaking recently, and when I came back from my dark room

experience last year, I was speaking about that experience

on stage. And after the speech this lady

came up to me and she explained to me that she had a 7 year old

son who was born blind. And she explains to me the

psychology of a child who is born blind.

And she says to me that his son is 7 years old and still can't

use the pronoun. I still can't use the pronoun I

because he doesn't understand that everything else is

separate. That's not his experience of

life. His experience of life is that

everything is part of him. So it it got me to stop.

And I was like, wow. And I remember telling this

story once and someone says to me, well, hopefully when he's 15

years old, he'll realize and recognize that we're all

separate and he'll get it. And I said no, my friend.

I said no, He gets it. I'd say he understands it.

We've been conditioned by our ego and our separateness.

He is our teacher because he understands this

interconnectedness and it was just such a beautiful moment for

me to to be told that and I've never met this kid before, but

he's my teacher in that one little story and to get back to

just a regress. Now get back to your question

about the soon month and judgment.

I think I'm gonna answer that in a really simple way.

At least I think simple to me. Hopefully listeners would feel

the same way. As long as I am overcome by my

ego and my individuality, I'm gonna judge things upon their

impact on me and my well-being and what my perspectives and my

ideology and what I think and have been conditioned to believe

is right or is wrong. And in a lot of ways, we look at

judgment as right and wrong at black and white, as we often

mention when talking about truth, we look, we look at

things that's good or bad. And I would like to propose a

different way of viewing the world.

I would love for us to start to look and just simply ask a

question. What is in our greatest good?

What serves the greatest amount of people in this moment?

What way forward, what decision, what action, what thought, what,

what words serve the greatest amount of people?

And who does it serve? Because a lot of the time we can

say that something is good for us, But who's us is us.

You and your family is us a social group or a collective

belief system? So we need to start When we look

at we analyze the actions, words, and thoughts.

When we analyze how people show up in a world and we judge

things, we have to ask rather than judge them as good or bad.

Ask you question what serves the greatest amount of people?

What serves the greater collective and what impact does

does this have on greater collective?

And I think when we start to ask those questions, we start to

kind of dissolve the lines around what is good and what is

bad. And we we start to dissolve

judgment of others and judgment of things.

Because I don't believe you can ever be grateful for someone or

something. If you judge it, it's bad.

And let's look, for instance, as there are a lot of very negative

experiences that people have to endure that cause pain and

suffering. And they they might judge that

experience as bad. And if they judge that

experience as bad, then it's impossible to be grateful for

that experience because you're saying that you wish it never

happened. But if you can in some way

pinpoint some element of growth or transformation for you or

someone else that has come out of an experience, then it can't

be bad. It can be uncomfortable and

painful, and maybe it caused a lot of immense suffering, but as

long as we can see something good that can come out of it,

then that experience would never bad.

And I know that's a hard one to sit with for a lot of people.

But again, if we can begin to see our experience of life

beyond our individual identity, beyond the experience of our ego

at anyone point in time, then this becomes a lot more

digestible. Again, I don't know if that

answered your question, Jeffrey. That offers a fluid perspective.

That's how I like to frame that today looking at that

perspective. When we look at ego itself, now

largely believed in many realms to be just simply a lens or

filtering device, much like our emotions, Yeah, from that

perspective, when we look at those judgment, projections,

judgment. Evaluations.

They're based a lot of times in and of themselves on a state

called emotional inference. Basically what this is, is when

we start to project and forecast our belief of somebody's

emotional state, he's mad at me without any real feedback from

the person to share their Interstate.

And we get locked in this a lot throughout society, making

assumptions about other people. Starting to build this kind of

preformed concept, projecting it on future circumstances.

When we get locked in that and kind of a conflicting role,

inference and transference happens.

We imply one thing to a person. No, this is not what I'm

experiencing. Rather than being open to that

feedback, then we start this kind of back and forth dance

cycle. Now I'm implying that, well,

because you said this, this is how you feel.

We can see that in our relationships.

Turns into this kind of quarrels or bickering, where we're not

open and being empathetic, we're not genuinely connecting, we're

not engaging in active listening, where we're open to

someone sharing their feeling. And we go through this path with

a lot of resistance and a lot of quote UN quote baggage from our

past. You know, our past trauma

surfaced our implicit memory. We record things from our past,

store that in our brain. And we're recalling and

comparing, we're going back to that implicit cycle now.

I'm inferring based on what happened.

XY&Z in the past is now the reality and truth of the XY&Z of

the future and present. Yeah.

We start to look to see where that unity of opposites begins

to disintegrate. Now it's me trying to insinuate

what I believe. We're trying to exercise control

and certainty. Yeah.

You know what's what comes to mind when I'm when I hate talk

about that, Jeff, is I'm sure you have heard of or read The

Power of Now by a casually, right.

So this whole concept of living in the present moment has become

like such a big part of New Age spirituality and movement,

right? Funny enough, the very first

teaching of yoga at the Yoga New Shasanam says that yoga is now.

So let me translate that for you at least what it means to me.

Union. The realization of our

interconnectedness and wholeness can only exist in the present

moment because the second in mind starts to fluctuate in

mind. In mind is the root of the ego.

Right in mind creates all fluctuations and sense of

identity. The second in mind starts to

fluctuate. It creates separation.

It creates otherness. And then it starts to, like you

rightfully said, it starts to project onto people and our

relationships based on our past experiences.

And so we end up living any future, any past.

We are immediately ripped out of the present moment because we

are. I like to say we are puppet our

past experiences and if we don't have a relationship to them,

they will always govern how we show up in our lives.

In that regard, are we using insecurity to some degree to

emotionally separate from others?

Of course, because I have this sense of ego and identity, that

ego is always concerned with ensuring my safety.

It's concerned with self preservation.

It's concerned with protecting my perspectives, my ideology, my

safety, my well-being. So we use these past experiences

to try and project narratives onto people, places and things

in an effort to create safety and security for our ego.

Ego and in mind is always in the past and in future.

We cannot really understand one another unless we're able to

quiet that mind, quiet that fluctuation of the mind.

Because like you rightfully said, we are always projecting,

we are always assuming. And if we could actually be

present with someone and hear and understand and feel their

perspectives, their views, how they are experiencing something

in the moment and understand their conditioning, then very

quickly we will dissolve separation.

We will dissolve the sense of feeling like we're on opposite

teams, like we have something to prove, and rather than try to

make someone else wrong and prove ourselves right rather

than try to judge someone or situation, we now begin to find

what is the best way forward that serves everyone involved.

Can you relate to that? When we turn that lens inward,

that lens of ego, yeah, there's benefit can be benefit in

protecting our common good. So often we form a resistance to

that idea of protection. We somehow judge and

subjectively dissociate from that itself, yeah?

We sometimes then move into that judgment that will because it's

defending me well. Why is it defending you and

against what? Is it reinforcing you, edifying

you toward your optimum state of being in your ultimate

wellbeing? Or are you wrestling it because

it's pointing towards something inward?

You're resisting in and of itself.

That gets you to that state. Are we over identifying with

that ego? Are we over identifying with the

self When we are, what can of worms are we opening up as a can

of worms just because that's where I'm going to naturally go

with it? Sometimes we turn it into a can

of worms, you know, it's this sticky, ewy thing we don't want

to mess with When we look at those implicit memories.

Those are the stored unconscious or subconscious memories.

That we seek to repress. They're an energy we're running

away from. We're resisting them.

We're avoiding them. We're dissociating from them.

You know, I no longer want this because I've already exercised

the judgment. The judgments happened in the

past. Now we're dragging that judgment

forward as continued resistance until we allow that filter to

kind of wipe clean and look at it, the energy is going to come

up again and again and again. Because that's it's one job.

It's one job is to process the emotional signal in that

perception. And the more you run away from

the job, the more you neglect that experience, the more you

disown yourself from that sense of authority, agency and

volition. The job is to just acknowledge

it. Say I see you, I accept you.

I'm open to you. I love you.

Now what can I gain from this? Yeah.

What is the benefit that's going to move me forward?

I think that that last question is so essential, Jeffrey.

Because you know you you often have a lot of people talk about

they wanna forget it past, they wanna forget something has ever

happened and some people block it out and say they moved on or

they cast judgement on it as bad and they move on and say I'm

over with that or that person or whatever.

But when when we look at life differently, as as a curriculum

and we look at each other as our teachers, we have to begin to

look at every experience and ask a question.

How can I grow? What was there there for me to

learn? And when we ask those questions,

here's a tricky part, and this is the ego as well.

We always love to project something on someone else.

I learn not to interact with someone like that.

I learn not to get involved with people like that.

Or I learn to walk away from this or walk away from that.

A lot of the time we project the disconnect onto something or

someone else because it's easy for us to do that.

Then we don't have to take accountability.

But there's always a way. There is absolutely always a

way. I would let me rephrase because

because that could come back and bite me in my ass 90% of the

time, Majority of the time. There's always a way where we

could have acted differently. We could have responded more

consciously, or way in which we could have brought more empathy,

love, compassion, or forgiveness, or understanding

the situation. There's always something for us

to learn. And let me put a point here.

Sometimes, maybe what we had to learn was courage.

Encouraged to walk away, encouraged to draw our

boundaries, encouraged to stand up for ourselves.

Very possibly. But we always should ask a

question. What was there for me to learn?

What could I have done differently?

And be because it's so much easier to look at the world

around us and see what everyone else should have done

differently. But that's not a question we

need to be asking, right? Our growth and transformation as

human beings is in our flaws. It's in our mistakes, and if we

don't have the courage to look into that darkness, then we can

never turn that darkness to light.

Troy, do you feel in that regard that emotional insecurity and

that illusion or need for control often hinder our ability

to grasp the unity of opposites and see things in that new

light? Absolutely.

Because, you know, it's so funny that everything comes back

around, right? It all comes back around to this

narrative that we are separate, the narrative we've been told

from a day we're born, right. Everything comes back to that

and all our separation and otherness.

I I like to see everything that is wrong or misaligned or

disconnected in the world that we know it or has ever been, has

been born out of this concept of separateness.

It has been born out of this idea that we are different out

of this idea of individual ego. It has been born out of that and

it all comes back to that very thing.

Because as long as we believe that we are separate, we are

individual and we are our ego and we don't have a relationship

to that. I like to use it with

relationship because I'm not judging it as bad.

But if it overcomes us and we do not question the programming of

our ego, then everything becomes driven by self preservation.

Everything becomes driven by this need to prove ourselves.

Whether we prove ourselves right, prove ourselves

successful, or be remembered for our accomplishments and our

deeds, all of our entire existence begins to revolve

around with that ego and that identity.

And here's something that's important for us to recognize.

I think at some point in our lives, hopefully we've all

recognized that we are going to leave our body one day.

That is your only certainty in life.

It is the absolute only certainty of life.

But let me put one more certainty here for us to

consider. Our names will be forgotten at

some point after we leave our body.

It might be a day, it might be a year.

It might be 10 years. It might be 40 years.

It might be a century. It might be two centuries.

At some point, a long timeline of human existence, our names

will be forgotten. Everything we have ever done or

accomplished or experienced will be forgotten.

Every trace of anything Troy Hadid has ever done will be

forgotten. Or Jeffrey Besica.

Everything we have ever accomplished or done, even our

mistakes, our deeds, our actions, all of it, will be

forgotten. We will not even remember this

amazing joyride of the human experience.

But the resonance and vibration of our lives and our choices

will always live. It will always exist in some

form, and it will always influence human consciousness or

the consciousness of existence. But as long as we overcome with

this I and this Me without having a relationship to it,

then we'll always be trying to prove ourselves worthy as I and

as me. And that inhibits our ability to

really see God in one another, to really see creation in one

another. That being overcome with the

sense of individuality, the sense of irony, inhibits our

ability to love. That's such a beautiful way for

us to wrap things up today, I feel Troy, if you could offer

just one insight today that you feel would allow us.

To connect with another and open to their perspective.

Gonna frame it that way. What would this one piece of

advice be? I would say this, I would say to

remember that every individual is simply conditioning.

And I'll quote I think it's Anturu Ali, it's Astrologer, and

I love to talk about his quotes. It's so beautiful, he says.

That privilege is blind to those that have it, and to know what

love is, is a privilege to know what safety and security is, is

a privilege to know what right and wrong is.

I'm using inverted comments. In my hands is a privilege to

know how to be in relationship, how to love one another, how to

save something bigger than ourselves, how to care for

someone. These are privileges to know how

to forgive and how to understand.

These are privileges. They're all programming that

everyone has or does not have. So if in our relationships we

could see someone's programming, understand their conditioning

then. We can help one another

recondition and reprogram, but you cannot help someone

recondition and reprogram by judging them.

You first have to. You can judge their actions, but

that's different from judging them.

You can judge their conditioning, but that's

different from judging them. The quickest way to help someone

reprogram or recondition is to first make them feel good.

Seen, understood and safe. There's a coat I have tattooed

on my arm that I love to reference.

It says that to leave your listeners with this, Jeff.

It says I have not come to teach, I have come to love and

love will teach. So that's what I would leave you

guys with. What a wonderful point to linger

with today. We're simply here to love and be

together. Thank you for sharing this time

together with us today. I am so grateful for being able

to sit with your perspective today and feel that loving

energy. It truly, truly has been such a

heartwarming interaction today. Troy, Jeffrey, thanks for having

me. I feel the same way.

And yeah, I know you know, sometimes listeners don't always

realize how much it takes for host to like have a podcast and

edit a podcast and the energy that you guys bring.

And I just want to acknowledge that and say thank you for

having me and I'll be back anytime.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart for sharing that

recognition today and sharing that loving energy.

I would love to have you back soon.

Thank you my friend Namas Day. The lighten me acknowledges.

The lighten you love. Same to you, brother.

From a certain perspective, in an uncertain universe, there is

no greater comfort than the comfort we often find in our own

discomfort. If we want to truly grow from

our discomfort, it's essential we embrace the comfort we often

vehemently resist. Therein lies a version of truth.

Find that truth you feel serves your optimum state of

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And as always, we're grateful for you, our valued listening

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I'm Jeffrey Besecker.

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